food. , calling for logic, who is the interest that people will come and get the food. israel, which has an interest to encourage people to get those foods that after get. hamas has an interest to prevent it. michael kleiner, i would like you to respond to what daniel leavy had to say. whatever it? he said many things which are all wrong about 90% wrong, so tell me what you said and i will comment. you heard what he had to say, he said 90%. he said nonsense, israel is the most moral army in the world, if somebody took a slingshot of hiroshima and nagasaki, he would say who are those crazy

war criminals from mr truman who were killing those innocent japanese babies that did no harm. no one believes the idea that islam moral army, it is committed to self. give me one example in history that an army was one of the other side from a bomb being dropped. tell me. tell me an example. i realise these are points of deep contention and there is a lot of emotion attached to them but what i really want our listeners to take from this is the light as well as heat and baroness kennedy, this word that repeatedly comes up, not just in the conversation in the studio, it comes up a lot

recently and that is the word genocide, we talk about genocide, as i said right at the start, it is not a word to be used lightly, it is legal definition. even part of the people that should be used in legal terms, you have to prove intent and that is very difficult and to prove that it's the intention of those conducting a war to actually eliminate a portion or a complete people. but, it is become rather strange that we somehow seem to be saying, we accepted his crimes against humanity and there are terrible allegations being made about what has happened in the amount, even if they do not amount to genocide, the amount

to grievous crimes against humanity and that would be the argument and for a court to decide but i wanted to say one thing, when we all signed up for the genocide convention, we were not just saying we're going to deal with that after the event when many people are killed and have not survived and whether there's been ethnic cleansing and so on, but we have to do is prevent genocide and when south africa took the case to the international court of justice which is not a criminal court, it is a civil court and one of the purposes of law is also to be preventative. and it was to be preventative and to secure the interim measures in the hope that it would stop a trajectory towards really hellish outcomes. and unfortunately, those interim measures by the royal court have been ignored and that is something that i think we will all come to

regret if steps are not taken shortly to make sure that we do not see ethnic cleansing that we do not see malnutrition that we do not see what will begin to look like extermination if we are not careful. those are the issues in law and courts of the police to determine, people watching have their own sense of what they think might end up believing which is the, and i do think that people are watching and they're watching the news in israel which has always had the support of the world because of the horrible experience that jewish people have had over centuries and particularly in the holocaust and so, there is a willingness to believe, somehow, that israel would not do this. but it's being defied but what

people are seeing on their screens and what we are hearing by way of evidence from sources, particularly doctors and i think that the medical profession speaking about what they're seeing and what they're dealing with is very, very powerful in the ears of people around the world. and you give context about this whole debate and baroness kennedy talked about the historic suffering of jewish people in the historic suffering of palestinian people. we're talking about war crimes this evening and as you say, this phase of the conflict started on the 7th of october but this conflict started before that. we look at what happened on the 7th of october, and as we said, we are not a court, we are having a debate in the radio studio. but the war crimes, the crimes of people sock on the war crimes the peoples are committed on the 7th of october, what will happen in that respect because in terms of the hamas

leadership, much of it is that now. the palestinian authority. michael kleiner, let him speak. why did they not condemn the 7th of october. and you need to let him answer. i would like to tell you that once the guns cease fire within palestinian society, there will be a difficult discussion on military strategy and negotiating skills of hamas. but that is a palestinian matter that we have to deal with after the cease-fire. but i lets it today is the following. i believe in israel palestine, the victim much more than the victim hits the oppressor. and it's retaliating against the palestinian for all the suffering that the jewish people have endured throughout

centuries on other countries. i personally believe that israeli society, they should do some soul-searching and i do not know if you're in the and opinion poll published some days ago just that 82% of israeli jewish society is in favour of the ethnic cleansing of gaza. israeli jewish societies are in favour of kicking out the palestinian israelis and all of this asks us, challenges us to ask whether there is a collective responsibility. let's talk about collective responsibility because you talked about callous palestinian soul-searching and i would suggest that palestinian soul-searching -- palestinian soul-searching. 2.2 million come over 200,000 by the been killed or have been injured. i

would really like an answer to that question, please. more is required than palestinian soul-searching and what happened on october the 7th. it didn't happen in a vacuum and i for one have been saying for 30 years that we the palestinian should adopt a nonviolent strategy of struggle and this is the strategy adopted by the mainstream of the palestinian national movement. what accountability will there be on the other groups? internal domestic discussion after the cease-fire. is that enough? will people be handed over to the international criminal court and i'm sure other warrants will be forthcoming and it will be, the same question will be asked of israel and of palestinians, will there be and handing over of people in order to have open

justice? one of the things that have not dealt with is that there is a principle of this which would allow the state to carry out an independent judicial investigation and legal process of trial but i do want people to know that there hasn't been much signed of any of that going on in israel up until now and i know that international lawyers who consider themselves to be totally in sympathy with israel have spoken to the leadership in israel and try to encourage them to set up a commission, judicial commission and to have israeli judges on it and invites and international judges to sit on it has been rejected fairly clearly. i do want to allow daniel a moment to speak and i'm conscious the time is against us. one of the

tragedies of this, i am siding with what i understand to be the tradition i come from. one of the things that is tragic in this is that there were opportunities and what is happened is those palestinians who pursued non-violence, which doesn't justify what is going on, their path was blocked, when they tried to use the legitimate tools of boycott, of sanctions, the west stonewalled them and said we will not do that, we will not get on board with israel is doing these actions, this created much of the pressure cooker and i am glad that what they referred to earlier or true that people find it hard to entertain the notion that israel could've gone like this but, there is also a factor here which is the conversation has chilled by what is become, i think i'm a very dangerous trivialisation

of the use of anti-semitism in the way of defending these actions whether you are here or greta, gary for your immediate review jewish standing up for universal values. if you're a lawyer. michael, do respond. palestinian colleagues that if there was a siege for 17 years and this justified the south african complaint before just in the beginning, before israeli crimes. before the 7th of october and of the truth is, the only people who were evicted were jewish people, by the israeli government and 1995 and they evicted the whole israeli population from gaza until the last person and the last soldier and including people who were evicted once in 1948, and there was a jewish population in gaza, there were all living and in all of that

we hoped would make peace and then there are no israeli soldiers in gaza in those siege and also there was a gate to egypt and egypt, my palestinians is that egypt was a part of the siege and what they did, hamas was throwing away his friend from the palestinian authorities from the roof, taking control and hamas in building at this machine that was intending to destroy the state of israel. if this was the case, why are there settlements in the west bank? gentlemen, please. people, the people surrounding gaza. let me settle this. they were hanging the palestinians and driving them to hospitals. those were friends were murdered. proportionality,

there's hardly proportionality. our chief international correspondent, look, we knew this debate was going to be robust and there was going to be a lot of emotion involved. we were never going to reach, we set the start we are never going to reach a conclusion but it is a vital conversation to have. we can cure the size of the viewers at home and the frustration and the people watching at home -- sighs in the midst of a grievous war and as we have seen in this still a moment where two sides are talking past each other, many sides are blaming each other because it is still a moment of visceral pain for israelis and palestinians and unprecedented pain which is where having this debate to go back to where we started and how it knows

describe the power and the facts and the evidence to one day determine what went wrong and why wasn't there justice and why read this moment now. michael,

with most votes counted in south korea's snap presidential election, the liberal candidate, lee jem-myung, has won comfortably in what has been the highest turnout for decades. the election was called after the previous president, yoon sung nyull, was impeached for attempting to impose martial law. the new president's inauguration is expected on wednesday. speaking in the last half hour, mr lee said he would do his utmost not to disappoint the expectations of voters, and would work from day one to fix the economy and ensure

there are no more coup attempts. overcoming the insurrection and not to threaten the civilian with weapons that should not be used against the people and secondly, i will recover the economy and recover the people's lives. let's speak to analyst and south korea expert soo kim, who is in seoul. and i guess my first question is coming after such a tumultuous period for south korea is he the man the to steady the ship? i think the

concern here is that this was a snap election and it was very constrained in terms of the time in the campaign and so, the criteria for the key factor that the people were looking at might not of been the typical set of issues they would look at. policy issues mattered of course but they were looking for somebody who could represent and also safeguard or maybe even salvage south korea's democracy which is probably the most important factors year after the declaration of martial law in the ensuing impeachment. one of the key things you think we should know about him? i think the key, i think distinguishing factor about him is that he is very adaptable and in this environment is a lot for south koreans. they have had leadership bells not able to really fulfil the policy pledges and to change that

dynamic, not just with principals but adapt and be more agile and the face of the political situation but also geopolitics that are very uncertain and south korea itself is dealing with trade negotiation and an administration has been start largely because of the leadership gap but because negotiating a tough deal like that. lee has in the past indicated that it may not be good news for the united states and for allies and partners to really shrug the resources and the support for the united states to deal with china and other political challenges and

right now, lee has said he will be trying to balance up relationships the same time, we look at his previous statements, definitely more conciliatory and much more balancing and that it's not just going to be south korea in us dominating the dynamic and looking to try and calibrate the relationship between beijing as well. and a final thought on how he is going to handle the relationship with north korea. the interesting thing is when he made his initial statement to the people after knowing that you approve must be elected president, he pointed that out a couple of things and which is bringing peace to the canadian, and also the official speech but a quick

remark to the population saying where the priorities are and in relations and policy challenges and foreign policy issues. if you could finish with that thought, what would we see on the first few days, very briefly, if you would. a book that he may be about restoring trust -- it will be about restoring trust in the economy for south korea as well. thank you for being with us on the context. i'll be joined by my colleague and will be looking at the latest news from ukraine and also looking at the latest forecast for the economy,

including what it says about the us economy as we focus on donald trump spots i can determine what it means for the usa and the rest of the world, do say with us do stay hello from the bbc sport centre. we'll start in paris. where lorenzo musetti has booked his place in the semi-finals at the french open. that's after a four set victory over frances tee-afoe musetti's serve proved to be a major weapon on the day as he fired down eight aces in gusty conditions in the frech capital. he also saved two of the three break points set up by tee-afoe. and won eight of the final ten games to take the victory in style. he'll play either carlos alcaraz or tommy paul in the next round. those two are out on court at the moment. and carlos alcaraz has the upper hand in the evening match. he took the first two sets empatically, 6-love, 6 -1 and is currently trailing 3-2 in the third.

to the women's draw and we now know two of the four semi-finalists in paris. triple defending champion, iga swiatek came through her quarter final against ukraine's elina svitolina in straight sets. the pole raced to the first set 6-1, however svitolina found her stride in the second and pushed all the way, before swiatek eventually won that 7-5 to go through. the kind of player that plays better under pressure. when she loses, she steps up always and so, you know, i needed to be ready for that and i am happy that immediately after i saw that, my intensity went low, i just, went in again and wanted to be proactive and i'm happy that i did that at the end of the set. and she will meet world number one arena sabalenka who earlier made it through as well. she beat olympic champion kinwen zheng in a tough battle, winning the first set 7-6 on tiebreak and the second set 6-3.

sabalenka is bidding for a first title in paris. and admits she's happy to play anyone at this stage of the tournament. i'm ready to play against powerful players are made to play against whoever i'm going to run and work for the points and honestly, right now at this stage of my career, i don't really care, you know but when it comes to the power, i'm lucky because ok, you want to see the power, let me show you something. so, i always take it as a challenge and let's see who is better today. england have made 3 wins out of 3 in their odi series with the west indies. after winning the toss they opted to bowl first at the oval, and with the rain reducing

the match to a 40 over contest, the vistors finished on 251 for 9 - thanks in part to sher-fane rutherford's impressive 70. jamie smith set england off to a flier in reponse though, hitting 64 off just 28 balls. harry brook and jos buttler saw them over the line to win with 7 wickets and over 10 overs to spare. batting legend virat kohli has finally guided royal challengers benga-luru to a first ipl title after 18 years of trying. it came after a six-run win over punjab kings on tuesday. kohli top-scored with 43 as rcb posted 190-9. that proved too many for punjab who finished on 184-7 in a final attended by more than 91,000 fans at the world's biggest cricket stadium in ah-medabad. now to the nations league football where all the home nations are in action this tuesday evening. england have been beaten 2-1 by world champions spain in barcelona, claudia pina with both goals for the home side. wales lost 4-1 to italy, cristiana girelli with two for the visitors, scotland are in action against the netherlands,

it's currently 1-1 midway through the second half, while northern ireland are in the promotion play-offs after their 1-all draw against bosnia-herzegovina manchester united captain bruno fernandes has confirmed that's he rejected an offer to join al-hilal. the midfielder says he wants to play major competitions. its understood the deal on the table would have more than doubled his old trafford salary, where he is one of the biggest earners. staying with al hilal though, it looks as if they are set to get a new manager. simone inzaghi has left his position as boss of inter milan, just 3 days after their 5-nil defeat by psg in the champions league final. he now won't lead inter in the upcoming club world cup, but according to reports in italy he's due to to join the saudi pro league side to manage them instead in the upcoming tournament in the united states.

brentford have signed irish goalkeeper caoimhin kelleher from liverpool on a five-year contract. the 26-year-old will replace dutch 'keeper mark flekken, who has joined the bundesliga side bayer leverkusen on a three-year deal. kelleher's contract also includes an option for a 12-month extension with the overall transfer fee

hello, welcome to the context with annita mcveigh in london. and sumi somaskanda in washington, where this hour we'll be focusing on president trump's second term, including his approach to the war in ukraine. have ukraine's bold attacks on russia of the past few days changed mr trump's view on the cards held by president zelensky? the president is thinking on the russia- ukraine war as it stands. i spoke to him about it just this morning. he remains positive at the progress we have seen. again, he urged both leaders to sit down and talk directly with one another, and they did that. translation: everything is aimed at removing the root causes of the conflict and setting on a trajectory of a stable settlement. of course, it would be wrong to expect any immediate decisions and breakthroughs here.